Seriously, forget Arc'teryx. I was wondering if anyone knows if the membrane in AscentShell is hydrophilic like Pertex shield pro or hydrophobic like Polartec Neoshell. Weight/Compactibility. It does tend to delaminate after around 5 years though. This means that the pant is waterproof enough for most days on the ski hill, with taped seams and waterproof zippers. Hardshells vs. Although apparently they also use a polyester tricot backer. com. It’s created by an electrospinning process where charged polymers are affixed to a grounded surface. Men's Motive AscentShell Jacket. Might as well be wearing a silnylon jacket, and save a lot of weight at the same time. And, that is big. Price: $300. Alan Coon · Jan 12, 2021 · Longmont, CO · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 350. The Outdoor Research Helium rain jacket is a mainstay in the ultralight hiking world for good reason: its unique combination of light weight, packability, and affordable price sets it apart from the. Serious objectives require serious protection and comfort. Big claims along the lines of “100 percent waterproof. When it comes to construction, the main difference between the jackets we. Not warm. 9 oz / 536 g, $259) is of interest to alpinists, backpackers, and bikepackers because it is one of the few waterproof-breathable bivy sacks on the market that weigh just over a pound, has a side-entry zipper, and also includes mosquito netting and a headroom-extending pole. Our hard-charging experts have spent the past decade pushing over 60 hardshells to the max. The Outdoor Research Skytour AscentShell Bibs. Out of all of these, I’d go OR Guardian 2. I have both: helium is a lot smaller and lighter than the alpine, but the alpine is the one to go during winter! I've used it twice in an ice storm and I was amazed that I stayed dry even though there was an ice crust on top! Helium is perfect for light camping!The Outdoor Research Skytour AscentShell Jacket is a three-layer hardshell ski jacket that uses a proprietary waterproof/breathable membrane to provide weather resistance nearly on par with much more expensive jackets. Elastic waist with drawcord. While less waterproof (but not enough that you’d get wet in rain), Neoshell is twice as breathable than System 3 or Gore-tex, making it better for cold weather sports where you’re probably sweating more than the. You take a liquid poly solution and a charged needle and blast continuous filaments of PU at a solid sheet. 5L) on sale for $112 USD shipped. OR Helium, (Pertex Shield+), 476g. That’s where it stops. Outdoor Research Foray II ($225) Category:. The GORE-TEX Pro is GORE-TEX's most rugged, most extreme, most everything fabric. It is very expensive, but the fabric really does perform superbly and this is a good jacket. Mellin said TNF would release more. I have some that clocks in at 3 which blows away eVent, ascentshell, etc. 03 at Backcountry Compare at 4 sellers: $123. Polartec recently stated that they are developing a sustainability innovation for the fabric. In my closet there's GORE-TEX Pro, GORE-TEX Active Shell, Polartec Neoshell, Zhik Isotak 2. The lightweight durability of Pertex® Diamond Fuse. Best Polartec NeoShell Jackets. Der Nachteil dabei ist, dass dadurch die Membrane weniger vor Öl/Fett. Looking for a high quality (yes, expensive!) rain shell to replace the Torrentshell 3L that I returned after disappointing rain performance. L. It performs similarly to both of those products. Comfort, Mobility, and Fit. 00, the jacket also retails for $349. At the OutDoor show 2 new fabrics were being shown. He had no comment. Gore-Tex is the older, more proven product. Stuff like Neoshell, Pertex Shield Air, Futurelight, and Ascentshell. goretex paclite (2/2. Check REI price (MEN | WOMEN) Ascentshell 3-layer 100% nylon fabric (20D and 45D) is durable, waterproof, windproof, breathable, and stretchy; 100% polyester. It does this with a structure of tiny holes and is therefore air permeable. 5 oz), the Helium AscentShell is quite light for a full-on condition jacket. I have a lot of use with Neoshell. Viewing 9 posts - 1 through 9 (of 9 total) Author. The 1st chapter of this article examined the science behind the waterproof, breathable raingear available in today’s market–this chapter will provide information to help you make the best choice for your specific uses. I'm looking to get a bivy. 75 Free 2 Day Shipping. Sep 9, 2021 at 8:18 am #3727016. Sep 9, 2021 at 5:56 am #3727014. SELF features the Helium Rain Jacket. NeoShell was not a failure like Betamax, and is still used today with some elements now being heavily marketed by TNF's Futurelight, but it could have been a bigger player in the WPB space if there was an easier way to market the benefits which was not simple in a world where bigger HH, MVTR are better but meaningless as Polartec's Product. Item #ODRZ8EC. The test results are very similar. Those polymers gather into a breathable. It sounds as though I've crawled up under a train trestle and have my head inches from the speeding machine above. eVent, Ascentshell, and the others you mentioned are just other brands of waterproof breathable laminate. HH is 5000 when new and I believe 2500 after many washes. I picked up a Sugoi Neoshell biking jacket that is lightweight, but no hood. 95. Mar 28th. Quote. Regular price. FUTURELIGHT vs. Packed Size. Microgravity is your Gore 3L equivalent just more breathable and less durable. Just trying to give the readers at CT a differing few than my own on occasion. 72 at BackcountryAt 10,000 millimeters, the version of NeoShell used in this jacket achieves the resistance to water pressure necessary to be considered truly waterproof, yet flows air at 0. Through its sub-micron membrane structure, Neoshell allows dynamic air exchange and a full range of motion while providing the strength and durability of a weather protective fabric. It’s created by an electrospinning process where charged polymers are affixed to a grounded surface. $199. It seems like the alpine is much more robust then the helium which might be a great worse case senerio. Try different models for fit and design like pockets and hood. Ideally this would be an all year jacket for the PNW. Arc’teryx's Alpha series is designed for top-notch climbing and alpine performance, and their “FL” represents fast and light. While the floor of the bivy is nylon coated TPU for more conventional waterproofness and abrasion resistance, the addition of the AscentShell. Finally, some hardshells do have vents or pit zips, but these aren’t a true substitute for. I mostly used it for winter hiking, and it worked really well for that. Pick it up either Gravel gray with a navy blue vest or all-black. I have the Skyward and it's a great jacket, but it's a snowshell and not a rainshell. It combines durable Pertex Diamond Fuse fabric and OR’s waterproof-breathable AscentShell membrane for reliable weather protection and superior breathability and comfort. 25 $399. Rating: (4. Motive has less features as it’s built for moving fast, think trail running with a rain jacket. 3 billion pores per cm2, each with a diameter of about 1/20,000th of. Playing alone, the cyberpunk shooter can be a blast if. Ok, if you have made it this far into the article, you know that this is not the most “objective” or “lab tested” review of FutureLight on the web. The only other hard shell material I've seen proof of waterproofness AND Air permeability is eVent and Neoshell. The North Face Futurelight, and Outdoor Research’s AscentShell. The ankle support is effective and more importantly, comfortable. Generally, the more you spend on an uninsulated hardshell, the better the breathability. It’s comparable to other shells with eVent, 3 layer Goretex, and Neoshell/ascentshell, which start at about $200 list, but can be had at end of season clearance for much less. 02. Best for: Expedition and Extreme Conditions. The subject maintained a constant heart rate of 125 bpm. Popular Science Magazine put new Gore-Tex Active Shell and Polartec NeoShell through the wringer to see which stood out. They start working right away, even without a drive gradient. Neoshell also continues to branch out and create waterproof breathable fabric. Movement-mirroring stretch. 23, MVTR: 3060. Power Shield Pro should have been called Neoshell Pro or something, as it is the same tech, is more breathable and is still. It has a great cycling cut and can be easily stuffed into a back pocket when not in use. 000 g/m2/24 h. Thu 14 Mar, 2013 3:50 am. The Klättermusen Allgrön 2. I never had problems with getting wet through the jacket until after many years of use. , not knit or woven) materials that are designed to protect against water. Highly recommend checking it out. We tested ski jackets from Patagonia, Arc'teryx, Columbia, Outdoor Research, and others at resorts and in the backcountry to find the best models. Common outdoor industry estimates put its breathability at around the 30. The Hemispheres also is around 5 ounces lighter than the Skyward at 1 pound 4. A handful of other top waterproof material brands to take note of include, OutDry Extreme, H2No, DryVent, AscentShell, Dry Q and Marmot. 5) and it is insanely good for condensation. But nowadays a lot of brands are following in Neoshell's footsteps in terms of breathability and production process. They all function in similar ways, and for all extents and purposes are the same. 0 NeoShell Mid is a lightweight, durable, and overall comfortable shoe. Since I posted my analysis, I had the opportunity to test OR Ascentshell. It doesn't hold up to rain nearly as well. $180. That seems to be better in the than every rain jacket but the Montbell but then again I have not seen a comprehensive list of them. MVTR ranged from 2800 to 3000 for Neoshell, Ascentshell and Futurelite. Posts. There is where the relatively low HH reveals itself. The interstellar is probably more waterproof and more breathable. AscentShell is an Outdoor Research exclusive, proprietary fabric that’s a waterproof, breathable three-layer fabric that broadens your comfort zone during aerobic effort. For now, Ascentshell waterproofing technology is best for people who are going to be active while being exposed to snow or small amounts of rain. The Motive AscentShell™ Jacket was made for versatile mountain use, whether working up a technical climb, exploring the sound via kayak, or pedaling to the pass. Now we have Futurelight and Ascentshell (and Neoshell) where the breathability, waterproofness, and wind resistance are capable of withstanding a storm, and keep the wearer dry. But what about the other options – the likes of Polartec NeoShell and the new kid on the block from The North Face, FutureLight? Outdoor Research didn’t invent this concept. Flag. 11 On Sale. Building on the reputation set by the cult-classic Alpine Bivy, this new version leverages AscentShell™ x Pertex® technology for a drastically. I've never noticed a difference in membrane performance. This jacket excelled at breathability on our most uphill-focused days. Flexair Neoshell® Pants. Ascentshell (OR Skyward II) HH:16170, CFM:1. Performance Weather Protection. I immediately noticed that the jacket fells more like a softshell jacket than a traditional hardshell, which is indeed a good thing. Ascentshell has less than have the waterproofness of GoreTex and it shows. REI also makes an eVent bivy and Rab makes several. All-Season Shell Jacket. . RET would appear to be a better method for. I just prefer the more permeable membranes for the former over membranes with monolithic PU layers in them. 69. (Which is it hard with a Gore tex hardshell). Fuchsia Arctic Black. Neoshell is a bit more breathable and less windproof than eVent and DryQ Elite. They should at least do the test with. Conclusion. It is faceless so the poly processed membrane is not covered by a face fabric. This is especially true with rigid hardshells, while the built-in stretch of a thin softshell does protect it against abrasion (to a degree). The women’s Skyward II Pants also retail for $299 and feature the same overall construction including a 3-layer AscentShell build, identical pocket layout, and nicely sized side vents. Black. Membrane: This is what makes a laminate waterproof. The new porous material is then called ePTFE (e for expanded). I wrote up the Stretch Neoshell jacket a couple of years ago here at CT when it first came out. This could very well make the fabric more popular again. 6 ounces. I spent some days searching for the perfect bivy and broke it down to these 3 models: Outdoor Research Helium Bivy Material: Pertex Shield+ 2. For its weather resistance, the Interstellar uses Outdoor Research's 3-layer proprietary Ascentshell membrane inside a nylon exterior. ago Dressupdown Rain jacket recommendation: OR Motive AscentShell vs OR Microgravity AscentShell They seem to be quite similar with Microgravity having a more. But because the brand doesn’t have to pay to license AscentShell (it’s proprietary), OR’s outerwear will save you a Benjamin or more compared to the price of other brands’ technical garments. What I mean by this specifically is that those are both laminates that are designed to allow a small amount of air pass through the fabric. Starting strong on the Gore-tex sweat test. 3. Westcomb having 2 men's and 1 women's jacket currently. The material is a bit on the thin side, so don’t plan on bashing into too many rocks and all will be well. All the air permeable electrospun polyurethane membranes are pretty similar (Neoshell, Ascentshell, Futurelight) and definitely are nicer with real activity than goretex. (For comparison, the also excellent Patagonia Pluma Gore-Tex Pro jacket (medium) is 414g. 37 - $109. Outdoor Research’s AscentShell 3L technology does just. . And its AscentShell line impresses with its backcountry-focused chops. Radiant Nimbus Cranberry. High performing PU membranes are popular today as well; examples include Patagonia's H2No and Marmot's air permeable NanoPro laminate. Enter the MicroGravity AscentShell™ Jacket is a dynamic, breathable, waterproof shell for alpine climbing, backcountry skiing, and any adventure above the tree line. There is where the relatively low HH reveals itself. David Steele in the Patagonia Pluma Jacket, Boulder Hut, BC (photo by Andy Carlson)Hard shells are great for windy days or for the days when it’s wet. NeoShell is an electrospun polyurethane, and is the foundational technology for many other air perms such as OR's AscentShell and TNF's FutureLight. 36 Free 2 Day Shipping. Friday November 10, 2023. Very dry. Polartec ® Neoshell ® is the world's most breathable waterproof fabric technology. Other membrane types include Polartec NeoShell, eVent, and AscentShell (used by Outdoor Research). I have a lot of use with Neoshell. Award Winner. 18 models Outdoor Research Foray II Jacket - Men's $225. Membrane: The North Face’s Futurelight. The Rab Stretch Neo offers climbers and hikers the best hardhsell for their dollar. The Ascentshell fabric on the Outdoor Research Skytour men’s ski jacket moves well when doing backcountry things like digging a pit, using an ice axe, transitioning, and charging. $209. There are a few jackets in the review that use Neoshell and AscentShell. It uses high-quality laminate. Besides, the skin doesn't breathe in the way they're injecting air. It does all this at a much cheaper price than. It is stretchy, feels substantial both in use and in hand, and breathes better than expected. 1. It was almost like a softshell, but you could feel cold air "diffuse" into the jacket when it's windy. In each case you're making a pretty substantial durability tradeoff to get that breathability. 00. Is the AscentShell fabric as waterproof as a brand new Gore-Tex jacket – maybe not, but I am here to say that it is at least 90% of that. Microgravity is your Gore 3L equivalent just more breathable and less durable. The Micro is built for Alpine pursuits and also good for BC skiing, backpacking or climbing. Style could be better. com. Yes, WPB isn't what it's sold as, but it's the most common thing to keep one warm in a cold rain, and all the cheap rain jackets aren't very durable either. Checkout the Stargazer. Avoid any other 2/2. Air can move through it - you can feel a slight chill in heavy winds. It's fantastic value for the high performance. I think they are best for minimalist urban travel vs backpacking. A number of top brands often partner with Polartec Neoshell such as Altra, Marmot and Eddie Bauer. including Gore-Pro and Outdoor Research’s AscentShell. Basically they pump out microscopic bricks of ramen noodles so there are a lot more spaces for air to pass through. It performs better than most and is renowned for it's ability to 'let the sweat out' when in use - effectively keeping any downpours at bay while the user remains dry inside. 3 CFM. 50 $229. eVent. 4oz weight. There's also the breathable fabrics that don't need DWR like Shakedry and Outdry EX which would be the best for extended rain as they will never wet out the face. 25 $279. The RSE has been hands-down the most breathable, waterproof softshell jacket I’ve tested. 9 ounces, and its nylon build is more packable than the Keb Eco-Shell. Our hard-charging experts have spent the past decade pushing over 60 hardshells to the max. A nice, slightly air permeable but still very water resistant material, although I'll admit that pertex shield air is a better performing implementation of wp air permeable materials at the cost of a bit more hardshell skin feeling than polartech power shield pro. @bpeugh. So, for heavy activities like running or ice climbing where breathability might be more important than waterproof ratings, a jacket made from. Of note: OR also offers the 3-layer Helium AscentShell ($449), which combines the Helium’s durable fabric with a more breathable AscentShell membrane. Membranes are typically non-textile (i. The Outdoor Research Alpine AscentShell Bivy is an extremely weather-resistant bivy sack designed to deflect weather elements in the alpine environment. For years the outerwear industry has prioritized excessively high waterproof ratings that sacrifice the breathable performance needed during physical activity. I stuffed it into a quart Ziploc bag for a silly kitchen trick— the. HI Ben: I have never actually worn an Ascentshell jacket. Plus Westcomb designs look really slick and functional and I believe they do (or did) make everything in Canada. I found Neoshell would wet through (pants) when sliding down snow. Once the face fabric wets out, which is relatively quickly, you're done. I am fully sold on Ascentshell over the other fabrics after a few months of comparing all three. Picture Organic Track Jacket MSRP: $330. All will leave you feeling more comfortable and there are a plethora of garments made by/from the above that fall in your need/fitment. All the air permeable electrospun polyurethane membranes are pretty similar (Neoshell, Ascentshell, Futurelight) and definitely are nicer with real activity than goretex. The Outdoor Research Alpine AscentShell Bivy is an extremely weather-resistant bivy sack designed to deflect weather elements in the alpine environment. RAB NeoShell Pant reviewed by Craig Pope The noise is deafening. to €600: goretex pro jackets. OVERALL. Color. Space Jam Slate Classic Blue Black. The Bib and Jacket combo is the most breathable water-resistant hardshell we have tested. So I am very familiar with the functionality of AscentShell, and really like it. (Which is it hard with a Gore tex hardshell). To fully understand which option is better for your situation, we’ll be looking at the most. Streamlined hiking shell to get you where you're going. There is where the relatively low HH reveals itself. By Jeff Dobronyi ⋅ Review Editor. The Trail Series Rain Jacket is the flagship of Specialized’s new Trail Series weather protection range, investing in Polartec’s expensive Neoshell fabric for outstanding breathability and weather protection. The Skytour AscentShell™ Jacket is versatile, lightweight, and waterproof, perfect for backcountry touring, ski mountaineering, and other high-aerobic activities in cold weather. However, this new fabric by Gore-tex seems promising, so I'll wait for tests and reviews before committing to a new shell at this point. Outdoor Research’s Alpine AscentShell bivy makes use of cutting edge breathable fabric technology for reduced condensation, and we all know that means better sleep after a hard day on the mountain. @bpeugh. 5 has. Outerwear Cham 2 Jacket by Strafe $465. But TNF keeps making bulky fits with too many. The adjustable, helmet. 5L. This shoes claims 4-way mechanical stretch. The AscentShell™ fabric is breathable, waterproof, and windproof, with fully taped seams to keep the weather out. But there are huge differences in prices. The electrospun PU membranes are the only ones with an actual functional gain in "breathability" since they are truely air permeable. Outdoor Research Helium AscentShell Jacket. Conclusion. Best Overall Ski Pant 1. We liked this fabric a lot, but the jacket otherwise lost the benefit of comfortable, stretchy fabric due to all the cumbersome zippers and buttons and extras. Electrospun AscentShell membrane is air permeable, letting air and moisture move from the inside out before sweat builds up. Although if OP is looking for a more air permeable jacket like NeoShell, there are now others made by similar process (electro-spinning and similar techniques to make polyurethane fibers form a porous membrane. If you need a helmet compatible hood and only have $150, your best bet is to search steepandcheap, Sierra, mountainsteals, campsaver, mtnoutlet, etc for “goretex” “event” “neoshell” “futurelight” “ascentshell” and sort by discount/percent off, plan on buying a few and eating the return shipping on the ones that don’t fit right. That's why Neoshell and like style membranes work well for aerobic activities vs. Outdoor Research have used AscentShell, a three-layer fabric with a 20 denier face. I don’t know what it’s called, but Patagonia makes a high-end WP/B rain jacket. The Alpine bivy is to be replaced by the ‘Alpine AscentShell’ bivy. Thanks. Sale Ends Nov 27 . It's safe to assume this shoe's upper is a 3L laminate. Rather than just spouting my opinion, here is a link to the men’s offerings in 2013. By Ben Applebaum-Bauch and Ian Nicholson. ?) This topic is empty. Generally the air permeable ones are all a bit heavier. 5. 2-Layer vs. The Alpine AscentShell™ Bivy is constructed to enable solo adventuring and fast-and-light movements in the mountains and beyond. Frequently bought together. But because the brand doesn’t have to pay to license AscentShell (it’s proprietary), OR’s outerwear will save you a Benjamin or more compared to the price of other brands’ technical garments. There are various HHs with these techs, from 15,000mm to 10,000mm (and probably lower now). Once the face fabric wets out, which is relatively quickly, you're done. The Sherpa Makalu jacket is made of 3-layer laminate which consists of a face fabric, membrane and lining. 95 to $251. Business, Economics, and Finance. In terms of weight, the Trolveggen checks in at 14. to €600: goretex pro jackets. CFM is conventionally measured with a pressure differential of 100. They're super lightweight. Men's Helium AscentShell Jacket. OutDry omits extra layers between the breathable membrane and outer. The Helium AscentShell™ Jacket is the lightest, most breathable waterproof shell in the Outdoor Research line. Rain Jackets and Softshells. AscentShell electrospun process creates a 3-layer construction that breathes faster, weighs less, stretches more and surpasses the comfort of traditional waterproof membranes. Patagonia Women’s Tres 3-In-1 Parka Jump To Review. The Centurion is made with a 4-way stretch Polartec NeoShell laminate. ago. s0rce • 3 yr. Overall, this is a comfortable, reliable, and ultra-packable jacket available in four colors and six sizes. All-Season Shell Jacket. Regular price Sale price $449. North Face Men’s Inlux Jacket Jump To Review. The softer fabric doesn’t quite have the armour-like stiffness of a Gore-Tex Pro shell, but it is still completely windproof and is also far quieter than most three-layer fabrics. AscentShell 3L waterproof technology delivers excellent rain protection with an electrospun air-permeable membrane that releases excess heat. (18) Outdoor Research. Materials: 20D nylon x 45D mechanical stretch ripstop shell, AscentShell 3L membrane, 30D polyester backer | Weight: 14. The Altra Lone Peak 3. Backer: tricot. $229. Weight: 21 oz. Weight: 10. Outside features the Mt. Cranberry Regal Radiant Marmalade Classic Blue Naval Blue Pewter. Polartec was demonstrating their new waterproof and breathable fabric, whilst Gore-tex was showing their latest addition; Active Shell. Helium AscentShell floor and fly keep rain, wind, and snow at bay. Ascentshell, similar to other waterproof but air-permeable fabrics, offers a design where a slight amount of air can pass through the fabric at all times, yet will remain waterproof. HI Ben: I have never actually worn an Ascentshell jacket. This also makes it. AscentShell fabric is made for breathability and resistance. CryptoWaterproof vs water-resistant. It's made of Electrospun polyurethane which is not just vapor permeable but also actually AIR permeable (meaning a small amount of airflow goes through the fabric - very small). 18th July 2020 What’s the best waterproof fabric? Many outdoor enthusiasts would argue that Gore-Tex Pro, by far the most widely known option out there, offers the most. And less money. Packed only weight barely exceeds one pound. In September 2013 the jacket won Outside Magazine’s coveted “Gear of the Year” award. It’s made through a process called. Gore-Tex Pro (not to be mistaken with the old Gore-Tex Pro Shell) provides great rain protection and moisture permeability. In simple terms, an electrical charge is applied to a standard PU membrane, causing billions of microfibers to develop. The Outdoor Research Helium AscentShell is the lightest men’s jacket tested, yet it’s suitable for winter storms. Very dry. Gear Junkie features the SuperStrand LT Hoodie. Q (Stretch Ozonic, others), or eVent. Unlike air-permeable membranes, vapor-permeable membranes are non-porous, meaning that air cannot pass through them. Like NeoShell, AscentShell consists of millions of tiny polyurethane fibers. MVTR ranged from 2800 to 3000 for Neoshell, Ascentshell and Futurelite. It’s very similar to the electrospun membrane pioneered by Polartec’s NeoShell. NeoShell is one of a few new convective or air permeable membranes. Outdoor Research didn’t invent this concept. Women's Skytour AscentShell Jacket. GTX Pro is another category all together. That said, the fabric of the Pluma still feels like a traditional hard shell, and is noticeably less supple than fabrics like Gore-Tex C-Knit, Polartec NeoShell, or Outdoor Research’s Ascentshell. Pertex Shield ( OR Helium II, 2019 HH:18280, CFM:<. Serious objectives require serious protection and comfort. The Pyramid’s fabric feels slightly softer than newer, less-crinkly shell fabrics like Gore-Tex C-Knit and the AscentShell fabric of the Outdoor Research Skyward Jacket, although AscentShell and the Pyramid’s Neoshell fabric are fairly similar. /397g (men’s medium) Sizes: men’s S-XXL, women’s XS-XL. There are goretex active jackets around €300.